Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Conversation | It’s Like Riding a Bike with TJ Dawe

The Seths spend some time talking with our friend TJ Dawe [Type 4]. TJ is a writer, performer, director, and instructor. T.J. tells stories on stage and incorporates the enneagram into his work, helping others tell their stories on stage. Given our season’s theme of “story,” T.J. has some profound and winsome insight to help us tell our own stories. 

3:45 T.J. Happens upon the enneagram

5:25 What he’s learned from helping others tell their stories. 

7:35 T.J.s pro tips for telling your story well

9:15 The importance of courage in telling your story. 

11:05 T.J.’s most vulnerable story and how others relate to it

15:45 The importance of art in telling our stories

20:10 T.J.s suggestions for exploring your story

22:15 A taste of TJ’s amazing storytelling. 

Follow TJ’s work at: www.tjdawe.ca  

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram

Meditation | Love & Logic

Conversation | Accepting vs Condoning

Now that we’re well into Season 3 of this show, we wanted to have a conversation about our podcast.

 

1:00 Our choice to include a wide array of enneagram voices

3:05 How the theme of story impacts the way we welcome guests to the show

8:30 The boundaries we keep

9:35 James P. Carse - Finite and Infinite Games

13:25 *Knowing* the enneagram vs. the process of becoming

16:45 Riffing on coping

19:20 Philosopher Peter Rollins on how we engage “the other”

21:00 Accepting vs. condoning

 

 

 

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

 

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram

Interview | The Story of You with Ian Morgan Cron

Today we get to spend some time with Ian Morgan Cron. You probably recognize Ian as co-author of The Road Back to You or host of the Typology podcast. We talk about his new book, The Story of You, the implications of the enneagram becoming “popular” and much more. 

4:00 What led Ian to move to Nashville [aka his “punk move”]

6:45 Ian’s enneagram origin story

8:50 Ian’s experience as an “enneagram influencer” in Christianity

11:30 Ian’s take on the current surge of enneagram popularity

14:15 Lightning round with Ian! 

19:50 How Ian’s new book is different from others out there

23:30 “Do you ever wonder if you’re living in the wrong story?”

26:50 What supports us in childhood thwarts us in adulthood

31:00 S.O.A.R. [See. Own. Awaken. Rewrite.]

39:15 Agere Contra [“acting against”]

44:45 An example of S.O.A.R. in Ian’s life

47:20 How to find yourself in a larger story

*Follow Ian online at www.ianmorgancron.com  

*The Story of You is now available wherever books are sold. 

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram

Conversation | Fiction. Memoir. Nonfiction. with Lee Fields

Today we’re joined by our good friend and returning guest, Lee Fields. Lee is a kind and brilliant soul, and helped us facilitate a fascinating conversation on the stories we live in the framework of fiction, memoir, and non-fiction. 

2:20 Creek gives us all a pumpkin spiced latte update! 

5:00 Lee on how temperament and personality develop the stories we hold

6:30 The brain as a pattern-finding machine

10:15 Fiction. Memoir. Non-fiction.

11:30 How fiction, memoir, and non-fiction show up in the lives of Lee [Type 1] and Drew [Type 3]

16:15 Creek talks to his housemate about ghosts [and about Type 4 and these matters]

19:00 Story and somatic responses

22:00 Fiction, memoir, and non-fiction in Abram’s life

24:00 Moving from fiction to memoir to non-fiction

27:00 The untold stories we carry

29:26 The 9 different ways we’re striving to *feel* a certain way

37:00 An exercise from Lee to name our relationship with our stories. “I am…” // “I have to be…” 

Get in touch with Lee via instagram: https://www.instagram.com/enneagrammatic/

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram

Conversation | The Enneagram of Traps

This was a fun, free-wheeling conversation on one of the lesser known foundational pieces to the modern enneagram: Oscar Ichazo’s Enneagram of Traps. The Traps are the ways each type falls into as a mistaken remedy to [attempt to] overcome the type’s mental fixation. Inspired by Abram’s Instagram series on the traps [@integratedenneagram] we riff on the fixations, the holy ideas, and how the traps try (and fail) to reconcile them. 

2:00 The history of the enneagram of traps

3:58 The mental FIXATIONS of our types

3:55 The HOLY IDEA as the true way to alleviate the fixation

5:24 Mario Sikora’s take on phenomenology vs. ontology

6:55 Traps as maladaptive patterns

8:10 Why Creek drinks pumpkin spice lattes

9:45 The traps for each type 

28:30 How to begin to identify fallen into our traps

29:50 How the traps impact our stories

30:30 “We are walking metaphors living out a story that our whole body believes.” - Tom Condon

32:00 Resources on the Traps: Transpersonal Psychologies by Ichazo, Sandra Maitri’s Enneagram of Spirituality, and Patrick O’Leary’s The Enneagram

32:15 Buy Creek a pumpkin spiced latte! Venmo: @Seth-Creekmore

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram

Interview | Waking Up to Our Shadow with Beatrice Chestnut

In this week’s episode, we have the privilege of talking with the one and only Beatrice Chestnut. Beatrice joined us to talk about her new book with Uranio Paes, The Enneagram Guide to Waking Up. But, the conversation doesn’t stop there. We get to know Beatrice beyond her enneagram teaching and writing, and the result was a fun and meaningful conversation. 

6:10 - Beatrice’s thoughts on the enneagram and our stories

7:40 - Getting to know Beatrice [hobbies, interests, TV shows] 

14:10 - The inspiration behind her new book

17:45 - Her experience co writing with Uranio Paes

19:30 - How her perspectives shifted since she wrote her earlier books

21:00 - How to engage the book

22:10 - “Falling asleep” and “waking up”

25:15 - How do we know we’re awake?

28:20 - The path before each type

33:00 - How Beatrice approaching coaching with the enneagram

38:00 - The Enneagram and Dante’s Divine Comedy as a map of process

40:00 - The dangers of over-pathologizing Type 4s

43:00 - Beatrice’s approach to the subtypes

53:00 - The shadows of the subtypes

59:05 - Beatrice talks about the shadows of our subtypes [Abram: SX9 // Creek: SP4 // Drew: SP3]

1:11:35 - How to follow Beatrice’s work

 Follow Beatrice: cpenneagram.com // beatricechestnut.com 

The Enneagram Guide to Waking Up

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram

Interview | Polarities of Type with Dr. Jerry Wagner

The one, the only Dr. Jerome Wagner joins us for a conversation on the polarities of the enneagram types. Jerome brings some unique wisdom that he was kind enough to share. His four R’s are brilliant and helpful. Jerry’s books and teachings have been so foundational to the enneagram community that he was named an “Honorary Founder of the International Enneagram Association.” Enjoy this conversation. 

4:50 - Who is Dr. Jerry Wagner? 

6:40 - Jerry’s introduction to the enneagram [in the early ‘70s!] and his enneagram-focused dissertation

9:08 - Jerry’s enneagram elevator pitch 

10:15 - Jerry’s experience as a Type 5

12:10 - Integrating Polarities [the 4 R’s: recognize, re-frame, re-own, re-cycle]

21:00 - Examples of how the polarities work by type

1:00:00 - Toxic positivity vs. toxic negativity

1:02:15 - How polarities help us with typing 

1:04:00 - Exercises to explore polarities

1:07:00 - A parting word from Jerry 

Follow Dr. Wagner’s work [articles, books, trainings, etc.} at: www.enneagramspectrum.com  

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram

Fathom 15 | Google Q‘s: What’s the Rarest Enneagram Type?

Welcome to another short episode where we answer one of the most googled enneagram questions: What’s the rarest enneagram type? 

2:00 - Creek makes his case for the Type 4, and Abram thinks 9s and 4s are the ones asking the question

5:30 - Is it empirically possibly to know this? 

6:30 - Raises the question: What’s the most common type? 

7:30 - A theory about 3s, 6s, 9s

8:50 - Why do people want to know this? 

10:00 - The deeply human need to be unique.

11:00 - Nature vs. nurture

11:30 - The types we have the most of in our lives (and the least)

14:25 - Harmony triads/object relations as social groups

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram

Interview | Crafting a Story of Resilience with Dr. Kristin Beasley

WARNING: episode contains general references to childhood trauma and abuse. | Goodness this was an amazing conversation with the wise and kind “Dr. B.” Dr. B is a clinical psychologist specializing in early childhood development. Dr. B’s insights on story in early childhood, resilience, and ACEs [adverse childhood experiences] 

 

7:00 - Dr. B explains her work. 

10:00 - How are our stories built in early childhood? 

11:55 - Quick overview of the 10 ACEs [adverse childhood experiences]

15:20 - What happens in adulthood when people experience ACEs in childhood? 

20:30 - The “still face experiment” with infants

26:00 - How does personality develop? 

33:55 - How do we parent/uncle kids with this knowledge? “Shared conversations in appropriate ways.”

41:25 - How to build a coherent narrative

47:45 - Implicit vs. explicit memory “Ghosts in the nursery”

58:00 - Resilience - the story of triumph over trauma

 

Dr. B’s Website - Leave a Lifeprint Academy - https://www.drbconnections.com/

Check out Dr. B’s podcast with Creek “Delusional Optimism” wherever you listen to podcast

A Kid’s Company About - https://akidsco.com/

 

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram