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Navigating the depths of the enneagram, one fathom at a time.
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Thursday Jan 07, 2021
Thursday Jan 07, 2021
Fathom 15 | Personality vs. Personhood.
What’s the difference between being a person and having a personality type? In this brief Fathom 15 episode, we talk about it.
- We contain multitudes. [2:00]
- You have a type. You are not your type.-Russ Hudson [4:35]
- Regarding the language we use to describe type [6:30]
- Knowing someone’s type doesn’t mean you know that person fully [9:00]
- Fractals of type [10:00]
- On whether or not we should share what our personality type is with others [14:30]
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Thursday Dec 31, 2020
Thursday Dec 31, 2020
2020 was a dumpster fire, and we walk into 2021 with great expectations. On this New Year’s Eve, we offer to you a powerful conversation about this threshold from one year to the next with our dear friend Leslie Hershberger. It’s tempting to shake off the dust of this past year and never look back. Maybe there’s another way?
- How do we honor and integrate our pain and loss from this past year? [1:47]
- James Finley: “Love doesn’t save us from suffering. But it does sustain us.” [15:15]
- The threshold from 2020 to 2021 [29:50]
- Hold the thing that is holding you back [31:50]
- How do we look to and dream of the future without being attached to its outcomes? [33:25]
- The difference between wise hope and clinging to an outcome [37:00]
- How kids are natural mystics [47:00]
- Morgan Harper Nichols on giving ourselves grace [50:45]
- How do we continue to hold this tension through this new year? [51:30]
- Wisdom from the Velveteen Rabbit [54:30]
- With intention, live into what matters most in 2021 [56:15]
- Not all contradictions are meant to be resolved. [58:30]
Follow Leslie’s work: https://lesliehershberger.com/
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Thursday Dec 24, 2020
Thursday Dec 24, 2020
Merry Christmas (Eve)! Tonight marks the end of Advent, and tomorrow begins Christmas-time! Enjoy this conversation with friend, pastor, and returning guest Jason Adam Miller of South Bend City Church. He shares with us a profound way to understand Advent in light of who we are…which leads us all to talk about the Advent of Ourselves for each Enneagram Type.
- The traditional 3 Advents [1:40]
- “It’s true not just because it happened, but because it happens.” [2:40]
- The ontology and the experience of Advent. [4:45]
- Jason’s theory on Advent and the enneagram [7:00]
- Applying Jason’s theory to each enneagram type [15:00]
- Did Jason think we applied his theory well? [39:00]
Follow Jason’s: www.southbendcitychurch.com | Social media: @jasonadammiller
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
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Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “fcpchristmas” for a 20% discount!]
Thursday Dec 17, 2020
Thursday Dec 17, 2020
In this episode, we talk with enneagram teacher and ordained unity minister Rev. Nhien Vuong. Nhien is a dynamic and thoughtful teacher and helps us see the ways in which we “bond through pain is we show up the right way.” Soak in her wisdom and be sure to check out her work!
- Nhien’s story first encountering the enneagram [5:40]
- The importance of being kind to yourself [9:00]
- Nhien’s journey to self-compassion [10:05]
- How Nhien uses the enneagram in her work [15:00]
- Nhien uses Drew’s book in her work! [17:30]
- Why Nhien refers to some of her work as “spiritual tutoring” [20:15]
- On “bonding through pain is we show up the right way…”[22:45]
- On the significance of her company’s name, Evolving Enneagram…[28:45]
- The importance of being safe in learning communities [33:00]
- 4s, 6s, 8s and their emotional realness [36:15]
- Nhien’s definition of spirituality [39:10]
- “We are spiritual beings having a human experience.”-de Chardin [44:45]
- Sin vs. goodness [47:00]
- Preaching what we practice [50:15]
- Compassionately looking at your type [52:25]
Follow Nhien’s work: www.evolvingenneagram.com | Social media: @evolvingenneagram
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
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Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “fcpchristmas” for a 20% discount!]
Thursday Dec 10, 2020
Thursday Dec 10, 2020
What if you were a). on an elevator, b). Someone you deeply admire and have always wanted to talked to joins you and c). Turns to you and asks, “What is the enneagram?”….what would you say? The Seths and Drew gave their attempts at their enneagram elevator pitches.
- Drew’s first attempt-“A framework of 9 pilgrimages of personhood…” [2:10]
- Creek-“9 Different ways we are falling asleep…” [2:40]
- Abram-“Ancient wisdom with modern psychology…” [3:55]
- Abram-9 variation of the divine…” [5:20]
- Drew-“9 psycho-spiritual strategies” [5:55]
- Remember Leslie Hershberger “it’s both your obstacle and your opening to love…” [7:28]
- When the enneagram comes up at parties [8:52]
- The best conversations about the enneagram aren’t about the enneagram [10:10]
- Not about the external…but internal practice [11:00]
- “Your type shows up when you don’t”—Russ Hudson [12:14]
- What to do if you can’t stop talking about the enneagram [13:30]
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
—
Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “fcpchristmas” for a 20% discount!]
Thursday Dec 03, 2020
Thursday Dec 03, 2020
Greetings all you raging narcissists! In this episode of Fathoms, Drew and the Seths are joined by author, professor, counselor, and spiritual director Dr. Chuck DeGroat. We talk about his book, When Narcissism Comes to Church, which expands our stereotypical notions of narcissistic leaders through the lens of the enneagram.
- Abram quotes Russ Hudson re: coddling our own narcissism [3:12]
- The highlight of Chuck’s career [4:02]
- When Chuck received the enneagram into his heart [6:15]
- About Chuck’s book, When Narcissism Comes to Church [8:00]
- Chuck’s definition of narcissism [9:35]
- On Narcissistic Personality Disorder [11:45]
- Narcissistic style, type, and disorder [12:40]
- Narcissism and success [14:55]
- Epigenetics [15:33]
- The difference between acting narcissistic and being a narcissist [16:30]
- Having spiritual authority vs. being spiritually abusive [18:00]
- The nine faces of narcissism [19:00]
- The gift of healthy narcissism and original goodness [22:30]
- Narcissism and the enneagram triads [26:00]
- The concept of “splitting” and the path to transformation [30:25]
- The importance of shadow work [33:00]
- How we can use our narcissism to work towards healing and wholeness [34:47]
- Co-dependence and narcissism [38:15]
- Re: toxic positivity and toxic negativity [40:10]
Follow Chuck’s work at www.chuckdegroat.net.
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
—
Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
—
Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “fcpchristmas” for a 20% discount!]
Thursday Nov 26, 2020
Thursday Nov 26, 2020
Creek & Abram have a quick conversation about how to practically apply the things we talk about in the previous Thanksgiving episode (check your podcast feed). Creek then leads us in a meditation that no matter where you are, is exactly what you need.
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
—
Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
—
Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “PODCAST” for a 15% discount!]
Thursday Nov 26, 2020
Thursday Nov 26, 2020
In this Fathom 15, the guys provide a timely conversation for those celebrating Thanksgiving in the U.S. Holidays with family can be uniquely stressful, even more so amid a global pandemic. We hope this short episode helps you get through the day. If you need a break from the political debate, go find a quiet room and have a listen.
- On our own experiences around the Thanksgiving table [1:35]
- 2 tools to help you through today: 1. Transcending and Including & 2. Family Systems Theory [3:40]
- Going home can be a liminal space [6:40]
- What we should do with tension [8:15]
- The false binary of family debates [10:43]
- Keep the long game in mind [12:20]
- The importance of humility [13:00]
- The difference between allowing and accepting [13:30]
- Working towards a both/and [15:00]
- On Fr. Rohr’s concept of image and likeness [16:30]
- Encountering others and honoring the Imago Dei within [17:50]
- Still set appropriate boundaries [18:45]
- Check out our Season 1 Episode on Conflict Styles [21:40]
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
—
Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
—
Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “PODCAST” for a 15% discount!]
Thursday Nov 19, 2020
Thursday Nov 19, 2020
In this Fathom 15, the Seths and Drew explore this season’s guiding question: “What is your unique contribution to the enneagram conversation that provides the depth we need in our present world?”
- How this question is used in Season 2 [2:04]
- How the enneagram helps us see ourselves and how it helps us see the world [2:46]
- Solitary work that cannot be done alone [4:45]
- If you don’t tell the truth about yourself, you can’t tell it about other people [5:30]
- The enneagram and our post-truth age [7:15]
- Our patterned centers of intelligence vs. reality [9:39]
- What Abram did (and regrets) early in his marriage [10:55]
- A practical half step to reverse engineering your enneagram type structure [12:32]
- The importance of community [14:20]
- Our type’s gifts and barriers [16:15]
- Our world NEEDS our internal work to have external implications [17:23]
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
—
Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
—
Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “PODCAST” for a 15% discount!]
Thursday Nov 12, 2020
Thursday Nov 12, 2020
Drew and the Seths interview their teacher, the one and only Nan Henson. Nan is a master enneagram teacher based in Atlanta, Georgia. She’s one of a select few of Enneagram Institute authorized teachers in the world. Nan is the founder of Enneagram Atlanta and co-founder of Enneagram Georgia. And you’ll want to stick around to the end of this episode, because Nan leads us through a brief and powerful meditation exercise.
- How Nan is continuing her enneagram teaching amid COVID-19 [3:20]
- Nan’s enneagram origin story [4:41]
- How long it took Nan to feel confident in her enneagram teaching [9:02]
- Advice for stepping into something bigger than yourself [9:45]
- As a Type 2, how Nan has learned to live from a more authentic sense of self [11:00]
- Living in the heart [14:00]
- How to cultivate the capacity for presence [16:45]
- The difference between merely eliminating distraction and cultivating presence amid distraction [21:08]
- How each enneagram type loses presence [22:45]
- On the fear of living from a more authentic self [29:30]
- Nan-wisdom on healing the heart [33:00]
- The power of repeating questions practices to access the heart [37:10]
- Relatedness vs. relationship [39:00]
- Supporting others in their inner work [41:00]
- Where to find Nan and a bit about her certification program [43:45]
- Nan leads us through a closing meditation [46:45]
Follow Nan:
- www.enneagramatlanta.com [Nan’s workshops]
- www.enneagramgeorgia.com [Nan’s certification program with Lynda Roberts]
- Instagram: @ennegramatlanta
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
—
Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
—
Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “PODCAST” for a 15% discount!]