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Navigating the depths of the enneagram, one fathom at a time.
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Thursday Mar 18, 2021
Thursday Mar 18, 2021
In this Fathom 15, we talk briefly with one of our listeners in Malaysia, Chin Ai. Chin Ai is a Dominant Type 3 and had a question for the Fathoms co-hosts: “How do you draw the line between letting your type and dependencies become a self-fulfilling prophecy and proactively moving away from your type’s tendencies in a healthy and sustainable manner?”
- Abram (Dominant Type 9] on using the surface awareness of the tool, using that knowledge to become who you truly are and why a practice like meditation is vital. [07:15]
- Drew [Dominant Type 3] on viewing type as the trailhead, the two paths that await you at the trailhead and why choosing your path is the most important first step. [9:40]
- Creek [Dominant Type 4] on stepping into more of your true identity and less identifying with your ego patterns. [11:55]
- The Abram quote generator: “You cannot give up anything unless you know what it is and to discover who you are, you must first discover who you are not.” [14:59]
- Chin Ai on how she’s working through this with her Enneagram work. [14:52]
Follow Chin Ai on Instagram: @ennethistogether
Have a question? Send it to us through our instagram account! Our DMs are open.
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Thursday Mar 11, 2021
Thursday Mar 11, 2021
In this episode, the Seths and Drew talk with enneagram teacher and addiction expert Michael Naylor (4w5). Michael was kind enough to join us from his home in Portland, Maine and talk to us about the intersection of personality and addition. Michael is a wise soul with a wealth of insight. Enjoy!
- A bit about Michael and his enneagram origin story [3:40]
- Michael’s enneagram elevator pitch [7:30]
- In Michael’s opinion, the greatest myth about the enneagram [8:15]
- Creek goes to therapy with Michael [9:40]
- One of Michael’s favorite transformation stories working with clients in addition and recovery [12:35]
- Michael’s definition of ‘addiction’ and the enneagram’s levels of health [18:40]
- Re: quality of presence and level of addition [25:00]
- Michael’s take on connecting certain additions with certain types [29:00]
- Re: enneagram type, genetics, and addiction [30:50]
- The psychic structure and personality type [33:40]
- How to help the types see more clearly [44:00]
- Creek goes back to therapy with Michael [47:00]
- The process of recovery [53:25]
- Lessons for the types about recovery (even if they aren’t in recovery) [55:45]
- Advice for those who may need help [1:01:45]
- Michael’s lessons from his own recovery journey [1:03:30]
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
Ways to find Michael and his work :
- Micahel’s website: https://enneagrammaine.com/
- Michael’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/enneagrammaine/
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Thursday Mar 04, 2021
Thursday Mar 04, 2021
In this Fathom 15, we talk briefly with one our listeners in Zambia (but from Zimbabwe), Stacey Madgwick. Stacey is a dominant Type 4 and had a question for the Fathoms co-hosts: “What does it look like for you to be present in your life in all 3 Centers of Intelligence (Body, Heart, Mind)?”
- Abram (Dominant Type 9] on reducing reactivity, not forcing the type’s agenda, being present to real peace amid the disruption [2:05]
- Drew [Dominant Type 3] on being fully present at home and work, needing to slow down, remembering to breathe, grounding. [3:55]
- Creek [Dominant Type 4] on starting with the body, staying with sensation, inquiring about discomfort, and the fullness of now. [7:00]
- Stacey on letting the heart speak. [9:50]
- The Abram quote generator: “The body is the beach to get to the the ocean that is the heart.”[10:55]
- Stacey’s close encounters with lions. [11:10]
Have a question? Send it to us through our instagram account! Our DMs our open.
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Thursday Feb 25, 2021
Thursday Feb 25, 2021
As promised, here’s Part 2 of our conversation with enneagram LEGEND Tom Condon. We said it before and we’ll say it again: If you’re serious about enneagram work, you need to know Tom Condon’s enneagram work. In this episode we dig into some of the depths of each enneagram type. Enjoy!
- The hypnotic “trance” of our type [0:55]
- Age regression and age progression [6:15]
- Trances and group dynamics [11:00]
- Creek asks Tom to tell a joke…and it’s glorious [22:15]
- How the enneagram community has changed and evolved during Tom’s career [23:15]
- “The enneagram is easy to learn, difficult to master” [26:30]
- Where Tom thinks the enneagram conversation is headed [29:40]
- Tom’s initial encounter with the enneagram [36:15]
- How to put the past to rest [40:15]
- Tom’s experience with courage [43:45]
- What Tom’s working on now [46:20]
- Tom’s recommendations on learning more about NLP [48:00]
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
Ways to find Tom and his work :
- Tom’s website: www.thechangeworks.com
- Tom’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/changewk
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Thursday Feb 18, 2021
Thursday Feb 18, 2021
In this episode, the Seths and Drew talk with enneagram LEGEND Tom Condon. If you’re serious about enneagram work, you need to know Tom Condon’s enneagram work. There’s so much goodness in our conversation with Tom that we had to divide it up into two episodes. So enjoy Part 1 and stay tuned for Part 2 next week.
- Tom’s enneagram origin story [4:40]
- Tom’s experience as a dominant Type 6 [6:40]
- Bob Newhart and the enneagram [8:35]
- Tom’s 4 methods for change [10:15]
- On choosing which methods of change to apply [19:00]
- “An enneagram style is like . . . “ [21:00]
- The “Law” of Secondary Gains [23:05]
- Type is like cauterizing a wound . . . [27:20]
- Type specific examples [28:55]
- RE: trauma and enneagram type [34:55]
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
Ways to find Tom and his work :
- Tom’s website: www.thechangeworks.org
- Tom’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/changewk
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Thursday Feb 11, 2021
Thursday Feb 11, 2021
In this Fathom 15, we talk briefly with one our listeners from “across the pond,” Stephen. Stephen is a dominant Type 8 and had a question for the Fathoms co-hosts: “What role does enneagram type play in habit formation?”
- How does the enneagram differ from other typologies when it comes to understanding habits and patterns? [4:15]
- Personality and potential [5:55]
- Drew explains the origins of “piggybacking” [7:00]
- Atomic Habits by James Clear [8:00]
- Systems vs. goals [9:15]
Have a question? Send it to us through our instagram account! Our DMs our open.
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Thursday Jan 28, 2021
Thursday Jan 28, 2021
As promised, here is Part 2 with Enneagram teacher and executive coach Mario Sikora. If you missed Part 1, go listen to it and then follow it up with this episode. Mario has some interesting, innovative and, dare we say…controversial (to some) takes on the enneagram. HIs ability to translate some of the deeper concepts of the enneagram to the corporate sector is fascinating. Enjoy!
- Distinguishing between Russ Hudson’s instinctual zones and Mario’s zones [0:45]
- The Preserving Domain and its subdomains [4:25]
- The Navigating Domain and its subdomains [16:45]
- A quick plug for Mario’s podcast, The Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast - The Enneagram in a Movie [20:30]
- The Transmitting Domain and its subdomains [22:05]
- Mario’s Awareness to Action approach to the enneagram [26:00]
- Why change is so difficult [33:45]
- Mario’s heart space advice for listeners [40:45]
- Where to find Mario [45:45]
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
Ways to find Mario and his work :
- Mario’s books: https://www.amazon.com/Mario-Sikora/e/B072JCJXHS%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share
- His website: https://mariosikora.com/
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Thursday Jan 28, 2021
Thursday Jan 28, 2021
Buckle up friends! This is Part 1 of a two-parter with Enneagram teacher and executive coach Mario Sikora. Mario has some interesting, innovative and, dare we say…controversial (to some) takes on the enneagram. HIs ability to translate some of the deeper concepts of the enneagram to the corporate sector is fascinating. Enjoy and stay tuned for Part 2 next week!
- Abram sucks up to Mario [3:30]
- Mario’s enneagram story and how he uses it in his work [4:45]
- Why a lot of enneagram language isn’t suitable for the business world [8:50]
- What enneagram ideas tend to create problems in the corporate setting [10:45]
- How Mario explores the depths of the enneagram and maintain professional boundaries [14:00]
- Mario’s approach to type as “emotional strategy” [18:00]
- How Mario’s approach “lands” with clients [23:30]
- Each type’s emotional strategy [24:50]
- How to work with your type’s strategy [33:10]
- “Clarifying the ego” [38:35]
- Mario’s unique [heretical?] approach to the instincts [40:00]
- Instinctual biases as verbs - [52:05]
- The “patterns of expression” for the instinctual domains [55:30]
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
Ways to find Mario and his work :
- Mario’s books: https://www.amazon.com/Mario-Sikora/e/B072JCJXHS%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share
- His website: https://mariosikora.com/
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Thursday Jan 21, 2021
Thursday Jan 21, 2021
In this Fathom 15 episode, Drew and the Seths talk about enneagram typing. They cover how they each discovered their type and different typing strategies they recommend. This brief episode is perfect for any struggling to discover their dominant enneagram type. Listen and then go type thyself!
- Abram’s typing journey [1:45]
- Creek’s typing journey [3:15]
- Drew’s typing journey [4:10]
- Why for some typing is so difficult [5:45]
- Trait language vs. motivational language [10:10]
- Our suggestions for typing [11:10]
- Tests [13:00]
- Typing interviews [16:10]
- Reading books [20:18]
- Listening to Sleeping at Last’s enneagram songs [20:45]
- Typing cards [21:15]
- Final tips [22:10]
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
Links:
- RHETI (Riso-Hudson Enneagram Type Indicator)
- Ryan O’Neal/Sleeping At Last Enneagram Songs
- Drew’s Book: The Enneagram of Discernment
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Thursday Jan 14, 2021
Thursday Jan 14, 2021
In this episode of Fathoms - An Enneagram Podcast, Creek and Drew talk with enneagram teacher and functional neurologist Dr. Jerome D. Lubbe. Jerome is an enneagram innovator and the author of The Brain-Based Enneagram: You Are Not A Number. We get into some really fun and interesting intersections of science and the enneagram, and also talk about some of Jerome’s innovative ideas with the enneagram. Buckle up, because this episode is FULL of fascinating content.
- Jerome’s fascinating story [3:00]
- Why Jerome uses the enneagram in his clinical work [5:15]
- Why Jerome thinks the enneagram symbol is upside-down [7:20]
- The importance of a whole-person approach to the enneagram instead of stereotyping [8:45]
- Jerome’s “efficiency” approach to the enneagram types. [12:00]
- How Jerome uses the RHETI assessment to develop his Whole Identity profile [15:00]
- The pushback Jerome’s received from his unique approach to the enneagram [22:30]
- Why Jerome thinks the traditional enneagram symbol is upside down [26:00]
- How the enneagram correlates with Executive Function Disorders [30:15]
- How do the instincts show up in the brain? [35:30]
- What Jerome’s working on right now [40:00]
**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**
Follow Dr. Jerome’s work:
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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
- Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
- Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
- Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
- Follow Drew: @enneagrammers